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Centrists when they have to choose between communism and fascism.

Centrists when they have to choose between communism and fascism.

AGoatPizza

>what would you rather pick, communism or fascism? >picks facism but "barely" >the germans were the mvps of human history >says the nazis had drip This person is currently the world record holder for most obtained red flags


ErozionZeal

It always starts with transphobia.


felix1066

hm?


kiersto0906

alot of people are transphobic, even those who are truly not hateful- just misinformed. they often fall into the alt right pipeline by viewing transphobic content, they slowly get recommended classist content, homophobic content then racist then full on fascist content. i recently saw a tiktok of someone who tested this hypothesis by starting a brand new account and only interacting with transphobic content, within day they were being recommended racist content etc.


felix1066

Oh I'm on the same page I was just wondering where transphobia came into this post


kiersto0906

well as they said it always starts with transphobia, they're saying exactly that


SummerCivillian

Based, but also, seemingly random. More based? Only time can tell. (Mildly sarcastic tone)


cortthejudge97

What?


JSizzleSlice

Bomb ‘drip’ ? What does that mean? It sounds like it’s booze or drugs or ass?


Lurker_number_one

Its just slang for style


Cleaver_Fred

Particularly fashion


JSizzleSlice

Ah ok, gotcha. Nazi officer uniforms get them hard.


Gwynnbleid34

He likes their uniforms. Their boots most of all...


ENRON_MUSK12

Not saying he’s right about anything else but the SS were looking sharp. That’s a lot to go through for a sick Hugo boss outfit though lol


AriDamal

🎶 [and the Fascists have the outfits, but I don't care for the outfits. What I care about is music, and the Communists have the music](https://youtu.be/vvCGZEqk8Ak) 🎶🎵


ENRON_MUSK12

Touché but the fascists would have the deaf people. At least until they’re purged out.


Good_old_Marshmallow

One of the attempts to describe fascism is that it's a "cult of aesthetic" meaning the style, the symbols, the projected prestige aren't a byproduct they are the point. In that sense it's kinda undeniable that they looked sharp, that was their whole thing. They thought the people in the best outfits deserved to rule the planet.


Gwynnbleid34

Symbols of the nation (or in the case of nazism, the nation = German race) are understandably important in a system of hypernationalism. I think calling it a cult of the aesthetic is perhaps a bit shortsighted, because there are ideological reasons behind aesthetics being so important to fascists and I feel like that term kinda dumbs it all down to "they're obsessed with aesthetics and have no coherent ideology". They were more a cult of the nation, with their obsession with aesthetics and prestige projects being a symptom of their hypernationalism. It's like the Church using exorbitant architecture to represent the divinity of their religion and inspire awe in followers. Or the rich historically using exorbitant architecture and fashion to represent their supposed proximity to a divine status above the masses. Or even how we today use certain architectural styles for courthouses to symbolise their authority (f.e. high stairway entrances are common, even in modern architecture of courthouses). Aesthetics always have been used to reinforce such ideas and statuses. With hypernationalism naturally you will see aesthetics becoming very important as a means to show the "great leader" as the literal embodiment of the nation, or prestige projects as embodiments of a nation's prowess. Religion and fascism are probably tied as ideologies that use aesthetics most intensely to represent their ideals, but in the end we all do to a certain extent. We all are a cult of the aesthetic in varying degrees, it's part of human nature.


aalios

You do realise that uniform left them absolutely stinking? You could reportedly smell SS columns from the next village over, because they wore heavy, dark clothing, even in summer. Terrible uniform.


ENRON_MUSK12

Stinking like sweat and pussy lol.


timtomorkevin

I mean...you can just buy Hugo Boss without becoming a Nazi. But I guess I should use the term "becoming" loosely


ENRON_MUSK12

Yeah but if you joined the SS you got it for free /s


AdditionalTheory

Yeah I’m sure Hitler thought “the Germanic race is simply the mvp of human history” while he put a bullet in head as Berlin was crumbing around them. Also what the fuck is “bomb drip”?


Guido-Guido

When they sorta dripped some bombs over Britain


Cleaver_Fred

Very good style, especially clothes/fashion.


Fascism_Enjoyer4

Good clothing style


frivolousflake

Thank you, *Fascism\_Enjoyer4*.


ghostfindersgang9000

He's unironically a fascist and a PCM poster. Here are some of the things he has said: >Fascism is non-Marxist Socialism as well ​ >Are you a fascist? ye ​ >[This atrocious post](https://www.reddit.com/user/Fascism_Enjoyer4/comments/of4ivd/what_is_fascism/)


cortthejudge97

Why tf would he be on a leftist sub what a dumb ass


Fascism_Enjoyer4

What's wrong with the post?


Baberam98

Cringe


TestyBiscuit

>the win goes... barely to fascism "Barely" he says. Yet he seems pretty enthusiastic about the whole idea of fascism.


Amaranthine7

He calls it barely a win when he said he disagreed with every point in communism.


Militantpoet

Cause they otherwise don't get a chance to express how they truly feel when communism is not also on the debate table. They always post a disclaimer (racism bad, genocide bad, etc.) Then get right into the meat of what they really think.


SeymoreButz38

One of those ideologies would feed me and one of those ideologies would execute me because I'm autistic.


Itsmurder

One of those ideologies would house me and the other would kill me for my skin color.


TaylorANoel6661

One of those ideologies would provide me with free medical transition and care and the other would send me to be forcefully reformed


ToadBup

One of these ideologies would stop american imperialism from destroying my country again and stop first world explpitation of our resources, the other would kill highschool children fro protesting and hide them under the highway (again)


squiddy555

I mean for most examples both would send you to be reformed. Edit alright after reading about the USSR a little. Looks like they flip flopped a lot of if homosexuality was banned or not. Like seriously every other guy either banned gay marriage or legalized it


TaylorANoel6661

Far as I understand communism/socialism aren’t eugenicist ideologies? I understand orthodox Marxism could be outdated in some ways, seen as it was written 200 years ago, but I’m prettyyyy sure equality is at the center of it. Edit: being here at r/enlightenedcentrism I’m just assuming everyone here is an advocate for libertarian progressive leftist ideologies and not authoritarian and conservative ones


Karma-is-here

r/enlightenedcentrism is 50/50 between leftists and China/USSR simps


shady1204

It’s called left unity sweetie 💅 /s


Anxious-Heals

I don’t think it’s 50/50. The tankies always get crazy downvotes, with good reason.


Karma-is-here

Depends on the day and post


ToadBup

Badmouth us when you achieve a revolution


ToadBup

Authoritarian isnt a real term but yes basically


Gwynnbleid34

One of those ideologies seeks to remove all hierarchies so that I have complete freedom and the other would literally neuter me for being a mixed race 'aberration'. >!But those uniforms though... Fascism 'barely' wins /s!<


gergling

Tell me you're a fascist by saying you're a fascist.


TempleOfCyclops

“I’m a centrist who will always side with fascists.” Yep. You and all the others.


AchieveDeficiency

I used to call myself centrist/moderate (pro small/local gov, pro gun) but the overton window has shifted so far right that I'm a far lefty these days who just happens to like guns. Some of us did choose a side rather than following the "middle" as it dragged to the right.


CertainlyNotWorking

> I'm a far lefty these days who just happens to like guns “Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary” - Karl Marx


AchieveDeficiency

Bingo, but in the American tribalized 2 party system, guns are sacred on the right and therefore a nono on the left (they shouldn't be, but they are).


ninj3

That's not true at all. The Left is not anti-gun. We're pro gun-control. That means making sure people have the appropriate training and responsibility to keep a gun. Just like you need proper training to drive a car, or operate heavy machinery. Does requiring people to pass a test to drive a car make the country anti-car? All we want is for a potentially very dangerous tool to be respected and used responsibly, that's all. Unlike those on the right, the Left is not reactionary. We don't oppose things just because the right loves them, or love things just because the right hates them. We don't support vaccination or mask wearing because we just want to piss off those cunts. They're the ones that have to turn everything into a partisan issue. They're the ones who are just so full of hate and spite that they'll literally kill themselves just to oppose the Left.


AchieveDeficiency

You're not wrong, and I guess I'm not explaining myself very well... let me try again: Prevailing "views" of the left and right in American are that gun rights are on the "right" and that gun control is on the "left". When I express my pro 2a views, most on the left assume I'm a conservative. Yet when I express my positive views towards common sense gun control, those on the right assume I'm a commie. You are correct that the left is "pro gun control" and not necessarily anti-gun, but good PR on the right, and the left's terrible messaging skills, resulted in these "prevailing viewpoints", even if they're not totally correct (see how this applied to the pro-life debate). At the same time, many legit far far lefties that I know (some are legit communists), are actually anti-gun altogether and are not just "pro gun control", furthering the prevailing view that the left is anti-gun.


Cleaver_Fred

True, regarding the views of "the left" vs "right"; another point is that leftism and liberalism aren't necessarily the same and disagree on some stuff, even though the general view is that both are part of 'the left'.


AchieveDeficiency

That's so very true, and we also have to realize that despite what may be true, perception matters. More often than not, anyone left of center gets lumped into one category no matter how much we may disagree (progressives and neo-libs are leagues away from each other). That's why when leftists rightly criticize Biden, conservatives only see one thing "see, even libs don't like him, how could he have gotten elected". That's also how the left got lumped into the "anti-gun" crowd when really there are lots of pro-2a people on the left.


Cleaver_Fred

Very good points, yes. I used to be strongly anti-gun, but I've since changed my mind and become more friendly towards the right to bear arms - responsibly, with adequate training and other precautions in place. And most of my disagreement with guns was really just a reaction to the right's pro-gun crowd usually being quite nutty.


Gwynnbleid34

Criminal gun violence is not that affected by legal gun control. It's affected by the socio-economic inequalities that capitalism forces on society and the lingering effects of past racist policies that we today see in ghettos. And for mass shootings basic gun control in the form of medical checks should be fine. Ideological mass shootings..... I don't see how even gun control will stop those. Hell, even illegality of guns won't stop that, as the perpetrators are resolved enough to buy on the black market or otherwise will just use a knife or a car. So imo at best a criminal record check and medical check is defensible, but for the rest I don't see gun control as anything other than unnecessarily obstructive to citizens' freedoms.


ninj3

>Criminal gun violence is not that affected by legal gun control. It's affected by the socio-economic inequalities that capitalism forces on society and the lingering effects of past racist policies that we today see in ghettos. Agreed but until you actually put some effort into fixing these problems, you're adding fuel to the fire by making guns so easy to acquire. You also needlessly restrict your argument to "criminal" gun violence. Accidental gun violence is just as big of a problem because irresponsible people can easily get guns. >Hell, even illegality of guns won't stop that, as the perpetrators are resolved enough to buy on the black market or otherwise will just use a knife or a car. Patently false. The damage caused by knife or car attacks is far, far, far less than caused by gun attacks. And there are far fewer attacks too. >So imo at best a criminal record check and medical check is defensible, but for the rest I don't see gun control as anything other than unnecessarily obstructive to citizens' freedoms. Guns are more dangerous and less useful than cars. And yet you need a licence to drive a car, but not to own and fire a gun.


Gwynnbleid34

>Agreed but until you actually put some effort into fixing these problems, you're adding fuel to the fire by making guns so easy to acquire. You also needlessly restrict your argument to "criminal" gun violence. Accidental gun violence is just as big of a problem because irresponsible people can easily get guns. I sincerely doubt that gun control has any meaningful impact on criminal use of guns at all. Sounds like a war on drugs type of situation to me. Might work in a country where guns are barely in circulation, but by now availability of guns in the US is so widespread that it seems pointless to further limit gun ownership in an attempt to combat crime. I doubt many criminals use legal guns to begin with, and the ones that currently do will get them elsewhere. As for your second point, fair argument. I perhaps went towards criminal gun violence too quickly. Accidents are an issue and I think it's a good thing to require guns be stored in a responsible manner when not in use. But I'm unsure if gun control is a solution to this. A mandatory crash course on gun storing might be good, but a licence similar to a car licence seems redundant to me. From what I know, the grand majority of accidents are caused by wrong gun storing and f.e. children picking up a live gun (so not locked behind a door and safety off.... very negligent). Even so, in 2018 the number of accidental gun deaths were 456, or 1% of the total gun deaths in the USA. So to be honest I wouldn't even bat an eye if there wasn't a mandatory course on gun storage. Always feels strange to say this about deaths, but I don't see this issue as large enough to enact pretty hefty gun ownership limitations. This justifies a mandatory course on gun storage at best imo. >Patently false. The damage caused by knife or car attacks is far, far, far less than caused by gun attacks. And there are far fewer attacks too. What is false about my statement? Ideological (f.e. far right, islamic terrorism, etc.) mass shootings can not really be prevented by gun control because they're organised and resolved enough to purchase from the black market (here in Europe guns being practically illegal certainly hasn't stopped them). This is something a mentally ill person is much less likely to do, hence why for that group I would be for medical checks. Or they will as I said resort to other methods such as knives or cars. And I never said that the latter methods yield equal amount of damage as a mass shooting, so you're arguing against a strawman there it seems. For the sake of the argument, let's ignore the black market and say that with gun control, terrorists are forced to resort to knives or cars. That difference in damage might be worth it, but how are you going to ensure terrorists (sane and able people, unlike your typical mentally ill/unstable mass shooters) are picked out and denied gun ownership? Will you have the government use a political affiliation database or something? "You're an anarchist, you don't get a gun"? I don't see how it is possible to weed out terrorists from other citizens who seek to purchase a firearm without resorting to police state tactics. And for those that are already suspected of terrorist activities by intelligence agencies, I see that as the same thing as a criminal record check; if you're on that list obviously no gun for you. Without any additional gun control, just a crime check (terrorist activities and *serious* suspicions included, if I wasn't clear enough before) and a medical check. >Guns are more dangerous and less useful than cars. And yet you need a licence to drive a car, but not to own and fire a gun. And? 456 accidental gun deaths on over 300 million people is not a big deal. As much as I value human lives and how awkward it feels to call deaths "not a big deal", I don't support the government enforcing safety by limiting our freedoms, unless there's heavy reasons for it. It's about the amount policies would save, and whether that is enough to justify limiting freedoms. The amount of traffic deaths if everyone drives around without any skill would be extreme. It's not about how dangerous an object is, it's about the actual result in victims if it goes unlicenced. Amount of victims of cars is indescribably higher. And it's only that that justifies car licences as well; the amount of victims if it goes unregulated. Your proposal feels something like the government sealing off mountain paths and only allowing entrance if you have a hiking licence. Does it save lives? Yes, a few probably. But does this increased safety justify far reaching government control over our lives? No. No I don't think it does. overly paternalistic governments are generally a bad idea.


TempleOfCyclops

So then you’re not in the same group as the person in the screenshot. Well done!


AchieveDeficiency

I know full well what sub I'm on, just pointing out that not all centrists/moderates are as "enlightened" as this fellow and lumping everyone into "us or them" camps are how this fascism defending centrist mentality festers.


TempleOfCyclops

I don’t know that opposing fascism is what allows it to proffer. I feel like you’re internalizing a statement that does not apply to you by your own admission, while also embodying proof that fascism is a choice people are making which they could leave behind if they wanted to. eta: just want to be clear I am not saying you are or were ever a fascist, just that your own path to a different political identity shows that people who see themselves in the center but choose fascism are, in fact, making that choice.


AchieveDeficiency

I didn't say opposing fascism is what allows it to proffer. My point is simply that lumping all "centrists" in with these right wingers who pretend to be centrist, isn't helping. I think we could all do a better job of outing those far right dingbats who are hiding their outright support of fascism behind the label of "centrist" from the vast majority of Americans who aren't far right or far left.


TempleOfCyclops

Ohhhh. Well see there is no such thing as a “centrist” in the way you seem to describe here. That person does not exist, so what you’re saying doesn’t apply. Also, to be frank, “not all XYZ” arguments are embarrassing and ineffective 100% of the time. They don’t really make any sense or address the reality of the social lines being drawn, and they seem to only come from people who feel targeted by the statements they are also claiming do not apply to them.


AchieveDeficiency

That's not true at all. The vast majority of Americans do not neatly fall into either category of "far left" or "far right", "communist" or "fascist". At least 35%, according to polls I've seen, fall in the middle. This is also describing politics, not political affiliation (since the GOP and Dem's barely represent even a small sliver of the American pie). As this sub so clearly identifies, many on the far right realize that their racist, homophobic and generally deplorable views, are not popular, and they therefore present them selves falsely as "centrist" to avoid scrutiny or being disregarded for their affiliation with the fascist GOP. These are the people we're here to make fun of, not my grandma who grew up super conservative but is really pretty liberal in her views (and ultimately falls in the middle somewhere with the vast majority of Americans).


TempleOfCyclops

There is a difference of semantics between us that shows me you do not really get who and what I am talking about or what this sub is actually for, and frankly I don’t give a shit about bridging that gap.


AchieveDeficiency

I totally get what you and this sub are about... I also realize that while funny and ridiculous, many of those on here don't know what the real world is like and that people are people, not one of 2 different colors. You're a great example of someone who seems to only view the world as black and white and refuses to see any gray. That's fine, and I get that it's what's funny about this sub, but the real world isn't online and online isn't the real world. I can laugh at the idiots posted here claiming to be centrist, and I can realize that there are real world people (more than on either of the poles) that are in the middle and don't view the world in binary terms. So when you say something like "anyone who isn't on the extreme left is in support of fascism" I can point out the ridiculousness of that statement, and most reasonable people would see the ridiculousness in it as well... but we're on /r/enlightenedcentrism, where anything other than communism is fascism (hint, they view the world the same way) and while it's funny for an online group to laugh at, it's not real and that's not how the world works.


NOT_an_ass-hole

im american radical leftist everywhere else i would be moderate left


AchieveDeficiency

I keep seeing this repeated but everything I've seen has pointed at the entire world seeing a shift to the far right and right wing extremism growing internationally.


NOT_an_ass-hole

i believe in universal healthcare, thats not very radical most places


AchieveDeficiency

So the entire left is just about universal healthcare? I'm assuming you might have something intelligent to contribute to this discussion, but your inability to use grammar isn't giving me much hope.


NOT_an_ass-hole

no its not, but it is a radical left thing in the us


Defender_of_Ra

>you can be a communist and just be another guy So what I'm seeing is that now we have a whole generation of homeschool-style dipshits that can pretend that the red scare didn't happen and that we never had an equivalent scare against the fascists.


beefstrip

I’m tired of hearing the political beliefs of 14 year olds


Mr_Lapis

But thats every centrist take


Grey531

I’m tired of this line of reasoning. No. As someone who’s lived in very conservative areas, you get alienated super quick when you even talk about liberal ideas. Lefties just don’t complain about it as much. This is how asymmetric it is, conservatives will scream all day about how major corporations are against their ideology because they can’t bully LGBT+ or minorities in the workplace without a slap on the wrist, lefties get full on fired if they talk about unionizing and the law tends to look the other way.


randomassname0120

MVP of human history yet they managed to lose both world wars? This guy probably thinks the confederates were better than the Yankees as well. Absolute shit take from a closeted fascist


_pH_

>MVP of human history yet they managed to lose both world wars? They're buying in to the notion promoted by Hitler that Germany was the continuation of the Holy Roman Empire- hence *3rd* Reich, the second being the 1871-1918 German Empire that was replaced by the Weimar Republic when the kaiser abdicated. So, they're attributing every achievement of the Roman Empire to Germany. That's where they get this bonehead take from.


Firebird432

“I’m not a fascist but I do believe the Germanic race is better than everybody else” Honestly the argument via drip was much less of a red flag. I fucking hate Nazis for fairly obvious reasons, but I don’t think it’s controversial that their uniforms were stylish. The fact that they were so stylish almost makes them worse, in that their biggest concern while gassing my ancestors was making sure they looked *fab* while doing it. To be clear, that doesn’t excuse people who wear Nazi shit because ‘but muh aesthetic.’


Mimosas4355

It was wanted to appear “stylish” for those scums. It’s part of the way they work. From this film glorifying them, to their boots. It’s all style, with disgusting substance.


ALotter

genocide < no genocide


Vinsmoker

I love it when people talk about the "Germanic race". Our states are literally named after various different tribes. And that only includes the "Germanic tribes" that remained within the current German borders. There is no unique distinguished Germanic race. Especially not one that includes Christianity, but excludes Judaism


Mimosas4355

Germans MVP of history? Lmao we really know on which side this clown is.


aalios

Ikr, they've barely fucking existed for 150 years at this point, let alone "MVPing history".


_pH_

They're promoting Hitlers claim that Nazi Germany was the 3rd Reich; the second being the German Empire 1871-1918, the first being the Holy Roman Empire. Basically claiming that Germany can take credit for anything the Romans did.


aalios

HRE=/=Romans More like a clusterfuck of Germanic speaking people who never got along and were barely ever united.


_pH_

You're not wrong, but considering they claimed that Nazi Germany was a continuation of the HRE in the first place, I'm not sure they cared to make the distinction.


LeoTheSquid

Important distinction he's missing in the first panel is that while stalin was brutal, that brutality and the millions dead are bettee attributed to dictatorship than actual communism. They were unrelated. Obviously doesn't go for nazis. Also that last panel jesus christ lmao


ErozionZeal

>In summary, we have established the following facts regarding the situation 1932–1933: >Natural drought played a role in creating the situationEx-landowning kulaks and Ukrainian nationalists did in fact refuse to work, murder collective workers, slaughter their own cattle, and otherwise actively sabotage the sowing and harvesting campaignsImporting industrial machinery was the reason for exporting amounts of food in order to increase production as fast as possibleThe cycle of famines which had existed for centuries prior and inherited by the Soviet authorities ended after the industrialization and collectivization policies had been fully implemented and the nazi invasion had endedUnder Stalin, the Ukrainization policy went into effect for over a decade before being changed due to rabid bourgeois Ukrainian nationalist elements exploiting it for treasonous activitiesStalin did not harbor any unique hostility to the Ukrainian nationalists anymore than he did the Russian nationalists who he fought in the civil war or even the Georgian nationalists who he fought in the August uprisingThe Ukrainian nationalist movement in question was heavily tied to anti-semitism & fascistic beliefs before the 1930’s and exposed themselves in their true goals by aligning with nazi Germany in their hopes to create an ethno-stateCentral Soviet Authorities sent hundreds of thousands of tonnes of food to the Ukrainians from other regions and Stalin himself personally intervened to scold a regional Russian official objecting to sending aid and made him send foodThe situation of hunger encompassed the entire union to varying degrees, including impacting ethnic RussiansThe situation in Ukraine during 1932–1933 was not intentional or man-made by Joseph Stalin or the Central Soviet AuthoritiesThe overwhelming and vast majority of countries on this planet do not recognize this situation as being a “genocide” >The idea of “holodomor” as an intentional or man-made genocide which 


BrassUnicorn87

Break up your paragraphs and space things, that’s unreadable.


CaitaXD

Beep boop tankie detected


AdventurousFee2513

Oh wow, looks like people don't know how to read. Seriously, are people downvoting merely because "Stalin bad"?


ToadBup

Yes


ToadBup

Based


COVIDNLimez

As the black panthers and other communist groups have shown, the US treats you like just another guy with an opinion.


SkinnyTestaverde

so many words just to admit to being a Nazi


rat_cook_manderly

"Stalin did it. So it's communism." -People who don't know what communism is.


Degenerates-Todd

Fascist whining about how they can’t be worshipping a genocidal ideology in public “Germanic race is simply the mvp of human history and that’s fax” -Totally not a Nazi


DeDenovo

This guy dips into his deep brain: "give me some ~~intelligent sounding~~ remotely coherent rationale upon which I can found my pro-fascism argument and be Nuanced & Edgy Dude for the girl I hope sees this" His brain: "No I don't think you should kill Jews but the Germanic race is simply the mvp of human history and that's fax. . . . \[I\]t's just how history went." I sense the Nazis would scrub this guy if they ever saw this bit of rhetoric.


That_Messenger_Guy

Germanic people mvp of human history? Maybe for like, one second.


Baberam98

The Germanic race are the mvps of human history? Yeah man I’d say you would go with fascism really well


Guido-Guido

It’s always hard to argue against "more people died under communism" It always gets easier when you remember literally anything that fascist countries did.


ballstretchi

Bro just take the goddamn mask off already


irresponsible_milo

oh my fucking god. blocked. reported. I ama telling their mother


PrinceKropotsmoker

Scratch a liberal, and a fascist bleeds


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word up


BeneficialComfort

this gotta be a satire, people can't be this dumb... can they?


ImpossibleEgg420

Fascism because the Nazis had drip? With this logic, this person should also support East Germany. Because they’re a centrist, and centrists are totally never anywhere else except on the middle ground /s


DesertAlpine

It’s like asking, would you rather live in hell wearing pajamas or jeans?


ErozionZeal

No, it isn't


DesertAlpine

There’s a reason why countries ruled by either fascism or communism in the past have made such politics illegal.


Kylemarisaroth

Shut up America. You are so effing embarrassing to the entire population of the country with a brain.


Pantheon73

Big oof.


EOverM

> I disagree with everything [about] communism So you don't think everyone should give what they can and get what they need, then? Ultimately that's the core of communism, with many viewpoints on the best way to achieve that. This is what I don't get about the mindset of the right. "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need" means that everyone contributes to society, and everyone is *able* to contribute because their needs are met. If someone needs extra support in order to contribute, isn't it better that they get that support and contribute than we lose their contribution entirely? For example, if someone with a disability is able to work provided various requirements are met, but if they're not instead will *just* be sitting there on benefits barely surviving, then surely their contribution, even with extra support, is better than *just* insufficient support?


OldSamVimes

Read about Communist countries. You can't enforce Communism without Totalitarianism. Maybe it's not 'right wing' so you can't call it 'fascism'.. but that's just semantics. Anyone who lives in a Communist country will know what fascism feels like.


a_mediocre_american

Communism doesn’t have countries


ToadBup

Oh yes let me ask eastern europe and china. *asks, gets told by the majority it was good* Huh well that didnt go like you wanted


OldSamVimes

Looks like I've read more recent history of China than you have. PM me if you'd like a list of books.


ToadBup

......China has a 95%aproval rating for the cpc rn


OldSamVimes

Go fuck yourself.


ToadBup

Well that was quick


CptMatt_theTrashCat

I love that they can't distinguish fascism from nazism, completely invalidating any opinions they have on the topic. It's like getting a lecture about video games from someone who calls every console 'a nintendo'.


ToadBup

....what do you consider nazism is


CptMatt_theTrashCat

A form a fascism, but the two aren't interchangeable terms. All Nazis are facists, but not all fascists are Nazis. For example Mussolini didn't give a shit about the German's being the 'master race'. Both are equally evil, which goes without saying, but if you're going to try and make a point about politics you have to understand they're not synonymous (at least within this context).


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ToadBup

"Socialism in scandinavia" Oh fuck off with this shit again


NOT_an_ass-hole

fascism doesn't have to be nazis, there are other fascists just like there are other communists