T O P

Here’s a scary list of things many people still believe are absolute facts, not open for any debate whatsoever

Here’s a scary list of things many people still believe are absolute facts, not open for any debate whatsoever

AutoModerator

###[Meta] Sticky Comment [Rule 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/wiki/faq#wiki_2_-_address_the_argument.3B_not_the_user.2C_the_mods.2C_or_the_sub.) ***does not apply*** when replying to this stickied comment. [Rule 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/wiki/faq#wiki_2_-_address_the_argument.3B_not_the_user.2C_the_mods.2C_or_the_sub.) ***does apply*** throughout the rest of this thread. *What this means*: Please keep any "meta" discussion directed at specific users, mods, or /r/conspiracy in general in this comment chain ***only.*** *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/conspiracy) if you have any questions or concerns.*


777haha777

I feel sorry for anyone who believes 13


fazepatrickstar

13 alone should unite the people.


777haha777

You would think, but the govt has done a great job of blaming one group of people and encouraging the other side to blame that same group.


BlackMist777

Yup turning us against each other.


IronmadeinEU

This so-called pandemic isn't a health crisis, it's an IQ test.


OwlEnvironmental3318

dont forget they believe women paid less than men


suggestiondude

bro, antidotal but every job I have been for years as had more woman than men. My current team is also 6 woman and 2 dudes. They all male the exact same salary as it is not negotiable and set by union- organization. I am not in a woman centric field either, just notice more woman working than men nowadays.


DWrathicous

Textbook divide and conquer. Strange that we can see it so easily, but the other side can’t at all. It’s like talking to a programmed robot.


ziegs11

The Australian government is finally starting to run this play. They tried it before but the First Nations people never got told the rules, so they're having another go at it with new teams


[deleted]

[удалено]


CeeCeeBABCOCK

Rule 34 is a doozy as well.


Rainydaysz

Oh believe me, many ppl do. “Why would government harm its ppl” is the one sign that they come from an ACTUAL privilege family background.


djmixmotomike

OP's post is stupid and low effort. "Hey! I heard there's a bunch of people out there who believe 100% everything they hear! Here's a list that I made up off the top of my head! Doesn't this make me sound like a really smart guy? Aren't you amazed that I can defeat all of these straw-man arguments that I set up?! Look at me not be a sheep!" (Lame for a hundred reasons.)


[deleted]

[удалено]


Traditional_Big4690

Wheres that quote from? What are you attempting to communicate?


deathofanage

Hey remember in 2019 when people where making fun of Anti-vaccine people? Remember that? And then remember everyone was like yeah fuck those guys all over the internet? And then like 3 months later we had covid? Oh and then like a year after that we got the vaccine,and people where really looking forward to it so we could go back to normal. Then people were kinda suspicious about how hard they were pushing the vaccine and had questions. Yeah pretty sure that shit from 2019 was an engineered social experiment (brainwashing) in order to get people ready for THIS vaccine,and to get that vocabulary established in everyone's minds so that they could demonize people that don't want THIS vaccine making it easier for the government to establish a vaccine mandate and win public support even before the pandemic was even a thing. They fucking knew.


fixmyhairpls

I was literally thinking about this yesterday. Making fun of anti vaxxers was THE normie meme in 2019. You couldn’t go on social media without seeing a meme about it. It is very unsettling to think about considering the language surrounding covid. People calling covid “the plague”, comparing it to polio. A couple years back there was even the Ebola scare which feels like a dry run in hindsight. Gauging the fear level of the people before implementing the full plan? I don’t have any strong beliefs one way or the other on the vaccine or covid, but something definitely FEELS fishy. Just have to see how everything plays out I suppose. I’m naturally inclined to skepticism and paranoia so I don’t put 100% faith in my own intuition. Time will tell


Vegasrob79

The funny thing is I’ve never really had a strong opinion one way or the other about vaccines. I got the ones that most people got when they were kids, and wasn’t big on flu shots, but started getting them annually when my kids were born. And I can’t pinpoint it, but at some moment I definitely went from “hurry up with these vaccines” to “I’ll probably get it” to “I don’t think I’ll get it” to “I’m not getting it”. I’d say there is a 80% chance I would have gotten the jab if it weren’t for the intense, forceful nature of them pushing them on people. That set off alarm bells like crazy. Amazing how the active push for these jabs is so overwhelming that it’s had an equal and opposite reaction.


crazywhitewoman

My train of thought was similar too, although I quit taking the flu shot. And now they are pushing vaccines and the boosters even harder, even though there’s enough data now to know that it isn’t even going to keep you from getting covid. It just keeps getting weirder, and I’m not sure why people keep going along with it when it’s so obvious something fishy is happening.


ziegs11

This mirrors my thoughts exactly.


based-Assad777

Hey man. Read this: https://devilslane.com/the-neo-malthusian-hypothesis-are-elites-now-acting-on-their-scientific-gnosticism/ Really goes down the rabbit hole. I don't talk about it really but my intuition keeps telling me THIS is the big move. Like what an opportunity to get a huge chunk of the population to take something without years of research pouring over it.


Bigbossbyu

I’m interested. Says it’s an hour read, any tldr before I decide to dive in or not?


ShitForBranes

You’re pretty much correct. Have you read the SPARS document yet? It’s from 2017. They cover anti-vax, alternative treatments, thanking the healthcare workers, social media misinformation. It’s not exactly how it played out, but their “communication strategy” pretty similar. https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/Center-projects/completed-projects/spars-pandemic-scenario.html Edit: added the first sentence.


[deleted]

[удалено]


Aspiringfilmaker2

[I’ll just leave this here.](https://youtu.be/jnbM1A4q6sE)


No_Trouble_No_Fuss

This anti vaxer shit goes back further then that. It's been more like 20 years and I remember it being blamed on Jenny McCarthy.


Federal-Damage-651

Yep. It's always set up way before it happens. 2019 wasn't even close to the start of this psyop


memesupreme0

More like back in the 80s. https://youtu.be/8BIcAZxFfrc Hilarious and basically the same methods being used today to justify vaccine "hesitancy"


TencentInvestor

Yeah. Should have listened to Del Bigtree.


LastLengthiness4206

Of course they knew. They always know and are always conditioning us to except whatever bullshit they tell us.


cutlesschris

I was just thinking about this wtf !


hannarenee

Yes! I noticed an uptick in anti-vaxxer memes online before all this started. I think you’re absolutely right


outterdarkness049

Spot on!


Sofiarae123

18. Leaky vaccines are better than naturally acquired immunity


m4sstaden

it’s like these people live in a completely different reality it’s fucking absurd


WeeRAllOne

I have been trying to point out here for years that the mainstream media creates a false reality that people **choose to inhabit**. The phrase "false reality" triggers a lot of people because they can't understand how a reality agreed upon by thousands or millions of people can be a false construct.


TwoByrdsOneHollow

It's hypernormalisation. The media and authorities repeat the same message over and over so much that the helpless masses eventually just believe it, no matter how it is contradicted by reality.


UnsaneInTheMembrane

Yeah, a reality curated by MSM who manufactures consent at the behest of the deep state.


ClubbinGuido

These people are sick. They're sick. Anyone debating the truth has issues. If the U.S. still remains in a few decades there will be psychology courses about these people. I still don't understand why some of them have yet to wake up. The truth is there to see. Its right in front of them. Imagine still thinking Biden is mentally sound or that pharmaceutical companies care. It boggles my mind.


Stecchino013

Lmfao boy gone


No_Basket_8954

Blows my mind when I talk to somebody who buys all the bullshit and stayed locked inside for a year and a half, wears a double mask outside even if nobody is around etc. the level of non independent thinking is absurd. The irony isn’t lost on me either that a lot of these people are very left leaning and would have listened to rage against the machine and the like but now just do what they tell ya religiously. Groupthink is a powerful thing


sunst0ne

I lost a friend to Covid. But not the disease. The guy has barely left his house in a year and a half. I’ve even invited him to events I was hosting and he always declines. He said “once delta variant goes away”. But he’s double vaxxed and wears a mask religiously. It boggles my mind


Simpertarian

It's doubly ironic that RATM themselves are almost certainly on the "fuck me, I'll do what you tell me" side.


TencentInvestor

No. 1 should be WTC 7 killed itself. 20 years of the "war on terror" against the invisible enemy (that was actually your government all along) has made all this possible.


Doublehappyness

I’m going to guess if you believe any 2 you believe them all


Malimiso

I’d put my money on this.


KeyPuzzleheaded9125

Pretty much everyone believes all of this where I live. Can’t have a serious discussion with anyone about it without being called crazy.


NoThanks2020butthole

Can confirm, I’m a left-leaning libertarian, pro-vaccine in general, vaccinated for a bunch of shit, and absolutely WILL NOT get these ones. Because they’re not actually vaccines. It has nothing to do with politics. Although I do plan on voting against all the democrats from now on because they’re pushing this shit on everyone.


[deleted]

[удалено]


NoThanks2020butthole

I hate that unnaturally colored hair has become an authoritarian SJW thing. Back in my day (I’m in my 30s) it meant you were a rebel if anything or just really into anime. I had blue hair in middle school. Wtf happened 🤦‍♀️


johnnys6guns

I get it. Im in my 30s too. Was suspended from school at 14 for fire-engine red hair, and told i couldnt come back until it was a natural color because I was a distraction. Ended up coming back with various shades of blonde and orange bleached hair that was all fucked up. The irony definitely isnt lost on me. And im really not even against the things they want. I really dont care. I just cant get on board because of the hateful and militant perspective they seem to have. For being "non-binary", they really are efficient at viewing people in black and white. Or maybe natural/fire-engine red or blue.


based-Assad777

You just described your average reddit liberal. In (D)Government we Trust.


ArasakaHRdepartment

You know what's crazy is I was pretty left before the pandemic and shit libs ruined that for me


BlueMerleShelties

I was pretty left until shit libs literally started cheering on intelligence agencies, Bush-era neocon spooks, and the "deep state" to launch a soft coup and overthrow Trump.


based-Assad777

Yeah, where the fuck is the old left? Certainly not in the DNC.


blizzardhawk17

If anyone believes any of these I usually assume they’re brainwashed are dumb but if you believe number 9….you are either just as bad as he is or you are just brainwashed to the point of no return.


IntroductionOk9839

ALL perpetuated by the media.


notmyrealname124

SS: this is a list of statements people many believe are absolute truths. Yet, some have been proven as completely false while others remain up for debate.


RyanJS08

How quickly would this list be downvoted to hell if posted on one of the popular subs of Reddit? Good list. Don't believe a single one.


Aether-Ore

OP would be permabanned, instantly. Instapermabanned.


AyaneUsane

It's impressive how there are people that really think all on that list is true


HelloNewMe20

There’s no hope for those who believe in number 9


InfowarriorKat

SNL has a long history of imitating presidents in office, using their most famous mannerisms, etc. Yet when they do a skit with Biden.......No stuttering, no mistakes, no cognitive decline, etc. I find that interesting. Yes, they are partisan, but the political party of the president didn't matter until probably Obama.


No_Basket_8954

At least there are still guys like kyle dunnigan doing hilarious send ups of biden. And he’s not right wing in any way its going to be hard for people to deny reality for too much longer no matter how loyal they are to a political faction


HelloNewMe20

Yes that’s how you know this government is in cahoots with the media.


mitchman1973

Lol I've literally had arguments with people that basically believe all of them...it's sad


No_Relationship_8075

Freaking madness will happen when the TRUTH COMES OUT !!! Madness !!!


skeetinyourcereal

This list reads like you just got the top comments on politics, coronavirus and HermanCainawards.


notmyrealname124

Sure whatever. It’s still accurate.


suggestiondude

the only one I would argue is 11...Noone knows if covid leaked from a lab.


notmyrealname124

The premise of my post is that people believe the above to be absolute truths. I am not saying it did or didn’t leak from a lab. That is because nothing has been proven.


adam-free66

Yea it did, faucie was in on it, funding, an letting it leave lab in USA or Canada, an go to China


paldinws

Here's the problem with making a list like this: if even a single item doesn't land well with the reader, you lose their entire benefit of a doubt that you aren't a shill. For example, Biden's mental health will immediately draw comparisons to Trump's mental health problems. You will not have agreement from anyone that you want to inform about this concept because the only people who are concerned about Biden's mental health are people who claim that Trump is a genius and make up every excuse possible to justify his recent failures.


ArasakaHRdepartment

Hey, me here. - (person who doesn't claim Trump is a genius.) And it's pretty obvious Biden has dementia, and is being guarded from questions by the white house staff to prevent from him gaffing even more than he already does when he's speaking.


notmyrealname124

Biden is suffering significant cognitive decline. Trump is just stupid.


Modern_rocko

Wasn’t Pfizer approved by the FDA in august? If not please correct me


WeeRAllOne

"Comirnaty" was approved by the FDA. Funny thing is, it isn't available anywhere in the US.


cain071546

Yes it is, it is available at my local Safeway to children under 18 and adults receiving their first inoculation.


RJ_LV

For some weird reason there is a birocratic distinction between pfizer and pfizer's created comirnaty. Despite people all around the world getting comirnaty since last december. But it is the same vaccine. So that point is wrong, but also technically true.


EntrepreneurIll7580

It isnt being adminstered yet.


Dangerous_Item_6879

Approved for emergency use only. It’s not the same approval they give to other medications that go through 4+ years of clinical trials. And don’t forget all the great medications they have approved in the past only to be deemed unsafe years later when the more data is collected.


Modern_rocko

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7038e2.htm?s_cid=mm7038e2_x#:~:text=Continued%20use%20of%20the%20Pfizer,vaccine%2Dassociated%20risks. This is saying that the bioNtech-Pfizer vaccine, the one currently being used in the us, is fully approved. I get the point with medicines being deemed unsafe in the future, but with that logic no medicine should be deemed safe without 20-30 years of research.


No_Basket_8954

Interesting, in the summary that article specifies that Comirnaty has the FDA approval and since it is “the same formulation” as pfizer bioNtech vaccine (the one in use) can be seen as interchangeable… however it goes on to state that the Pfizer vaccine in use is still under emergency use authorization only. Seems a strange distinction to make if its the same thing. Looks like some legal fuckery to avoid liability to me


cain071546

My local Safeway (and all other locations in my state) has the Comirnaty vaccine, it is being given out to people getting their first vaccination and all children. Adults receiving their second and third inoculation are still receiving the bioNtech vaccine.


qclady

A kid in my family was hospitalized twice for Covid, struggling to breathe, not eating or drinking, horribly sick for several weeks. He may have long term lung damage and is still having a hard time with inflammation. How was that not very dangerous for him?


Harryrob01

People get sick. That’s how it is and that’s how it will always be!


Dangerous_Item_6879

This is a very rate occurrence.


[deleted]

Nice anecdote but has this happened to any kids that you can prove are real?


qclady

I’m not going to post pictures of him.


notmyrealname124

I believe you but that is simply anecdotal and doesn’t mean COVID is dangerous for children


qclady

You guys post anecdotal stuff all the time. If one person you’ve never met dies a month after getting vaccinated, it has its own thread here as if it’s a universal truth and represents facts. I make a comment about someone in my family and it’s brushed off as anecdotal.


notmyrealname124

Well first, what you said is anecdotal by definition. I do agree that some deaths are incorrectly attributed to the vaccine in this sub. I presume people are overstating stuff like that to counter to sheer level of censorship happening.


SkinKoot

Don't feed the shills.


qclady

I know what anecdotal means. But seriously, one random person dies and y’all act like the vaccine is deadly. A kid in my family? “Doesn’t mean Covid is dangerous for children”.


suggestiondude

Heres an anecdote. My FIL who is 78 got sent the hospital after the vaccine. For 2 days after his shot, he could not stand up to use the bathroom, I had to pick him up. He couldn't even pull the blanket over himself. We finally realized he is having an adverse Reaction and took him to the hospital. His oxygen had dropped to 60-70%, they thought he had covid, he stayed in the hospital for 3 days and was discharged. Does that mean that the vaccine is dangerous for all eledery people? No, it's his experience and I got banned on covidsupport and others for telling that anecdote.


Nolazoo

Except for the fact that one side is not being reported (vaccine reactions) and the other side is being over reported (covid). Also, you do realize that the kid in YOUR family is just some random person to everyone else right? Like, just because it's your family member doesn't mean it's not anecdotal. All those "random people" who died shortly after being vaxd were someone's family member. Are you so self absorbed that you think ONE case is anecdotal if it's someone else but ONE case means covid is dangerous for kids because it's your family? Jesus Christ.


notmyrealname124

Well simple data tells us that COVID is not a danger for children


qclady

I guess I should have sent him the data when he was in the hospital.


notmyrealname124

Not sure why you would but sure man


No_Basket_8954

No offense but a kid in your family has exactly the same anecdotal weight to strangers online as a person they’ve never met who died of the vaccine. Its exactly the same to anybody who reads it here and arguably less reliable because it has no evidence other than your comment. May or may not be true but you certainly aren’t making a compelling argument when viewed from the lens of a stranger on the internet. That being said I’m sure it happens in some rare cases


qclady

People in this sub make posts about a story they got from an Uber driver and it’s received as fact by many of the responders.


DamascusEarth13

Not that I think anything else on this list is actually true, but as far as number 8, isn't the vaccine FDA approved now?


Hauffster2020

The important word there is "available." Comirnaty is not currently in use in the U.S. It's said the two offerings are "interchangeable" and yet there is still that legal distinction between the two. It's kind of a technicality, but an important one in my opinion.


cain071546

Yes it is available, I have no clue where that bullshit lie started but it is easily variable that it is indeed available. It is currently being rolled out in my state, most places already have the Comirnaty vaccine and are administering it to children under 18 and adults receiving their first inoculation.


selphmedicated

fine print from phazer


cain071546

What about it? You can call them, takes 10 minutes to verify not only it's existence but it's availability as well. With all of the real nefarious things going on in the world there is no need to make shit up. You don't have to lie to kick it dude.


ToadRangoon

Covid vax simps shilling hard on this one.


OldManDan20

1) They reduce transmission. This is demonstrable. 2) No medicine is 100% safe. The benefit of vaccine far, far outweigh the risks. 3) It can be. 4) If done properly, yes they are. 5) Fauci is often right, not always.,” But you’re supposed to trust data, not people. 6) I mean, there is a correlation here… 7) Unvaccinated people are more likely to become infected with and transmit SCV2, so yes. 8) The Pfizer vaccine literally has full approval… 9) The guy is almost 80, of course he does. So what? 10) If more people get vaccinated, then yes. 11) It definitely did not. 12) Concerns would make you vaccine-hesitant. Denying science makes you anti-vaccine. 13) Of course they don’t always, but how do you tell when government policies are good? Do you just reject anything they say without examining evidence? 14) Again, not always, but they do have a vested interest in producing good products that work. 15) Most people don’t understand what they are talking about with gain of function research. If you’re saying that Fauci funded GoF research at the WIV, then the simple answer is no, he didn’t. 16) You can. The point is that vaccination greatly reduces the chance of that happening. 17) It obviously is used on people, just not for COVID. Because it doesn’t work against COVID.


No_Basket_8954

I’d also love to see your evidence for it not being a lab leak. Much more compelling evidence to the contrary. Simplest of all being the native location of the bat species involved. Typically hundreds of miles from wuhan, not typically eaten there but yes used for research in the wuhan virology lab. There are no compelling ties to the wet market originally trotted out as the culprit. The other stuff is more debatable, for example I know there are studies showing mask efficacy in certain situations as well as studies of larger populations showing negligible difference


OldManDan20

If you’re being honest you can read these two papers and I’d be happy to answer any questions. https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-8674(21)00991-0.pdf https://assets.researchsquare.com/files/rs-871965/v1/986c09ca-d494-4a7c-a65b-9eec9c0a06b8.pdf?c=1631900665


Jormunder1

Clicked on the first link. They seem to not have access to this sub. Can you forward them the following so they can stop spreading misinformation? Ex-high level staffer for Bill Clinton and then-Senator Joe Biden says the most likely starting point of the coronavirus crisis is an accidental leak from one of the Chinese virology institutes in Wuhan https://web.archive.org/web/20210217165110/https://twitter.com/JamieMetzl/status/1250188616392900609?s=20 https://web.archive.org/web/20210217165110/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiC9Jl3CcqY&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3BXSDqClZyrDAuRkA9Ubxgnh3PauZCw3jFAc2LTJP5e_VQmZPSNaOTYNo https://web.archive.org/web/20210217165110/https://www.newsweek.com/defunding-who-mid-pandemic-lunacy-opinion-1498369 https://web.archive.org/web/20210217165110/https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-to-hold-beijing-accountable-for-the-coronavirus-11595976973?mod=opinion_lead_pos7 https://web.archive.org/web/20210217165110/https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/512298-the-covid-19-catastrophe-demands-a-national-commission-review https://web.archive.org/web/20210217165110/https://www.newsweek.com/beijing-must-come-clean-about-covid-19-origins-opinion-1563524 https://web.archive.org/web/20210217165110/https://torontosun.com/news/world/who-advisor-covid-19-pandemic-started-via-a-lab-leak https://web.archive.org/web/20210217165110/https://video.foxnews.com/v/6232423575001#sp=show-clips This paper suggests it was a genome edited virus...man made https://web.archive.org/web/20210217165110/https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1931312820303024 Facts: · In 2012, six miners working in a bat-infested copper mine in southern China (Yunnan province) were infected with a bat coronavirus. All of them developed symptoms exactly like COVID-19 symptoms. Three of them died. · Viral samples taken from the Yunnan miner were taken to the Wuhan Institute of Virology, the only level 4 biosecurity lab in China that was also studying bat coronaviruses. · The WIV carried out gain of functionresearch, almost certainly on these and a range of related and other samples (which is different than genetically engineering the viruses). Chimeric viruses were likely developed in this process. There has never been a full and public accounting for what viruses are in the WIV sample set and database, and key elements of the database have been taken off line or deleted. · Given the close relationship of the Chinese Peoples’ Liberation Army (PLA) in the development and constriction of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, it is fair to assume a connection between the PLA and the WIV. · In late 2019 the SARS-CoV-2 virus appeared in Wuhan. The closest known relative of this virus is the RaTG13 virus sampled from the Yunnan mine where the miners had been infected. · The difference between the RaTG13 virus and SARS-CoV-2 could potentially be explained by the gain of function research pushing the development of chimeric viruses. · It is also plausible that SARS-CoV-2 could have been among the viruses held in or derived from a different virus in the WIV repository. · In the earliest known stage of the outbreak, the virus was already very well-adapted to human cells. · In the critical first weeks after the outbreak, Wuhan authorities worked aggressively to silence the whistleblowers and destroy evidence that could prove incriminating. · When Beijing authorities got involved a bit later, they likely faced a choice of implicating the Wuhan authorities, and, in effect, taking blame for what was quickly emerging as a major global problem, or turning into the curve and going all in for the coverup. I believe they likely chose the second option. · The Chinese government then massively lobbied the WHO to prevent the WHO from declaring COVID-19 as an international emergency and prevented WHO investigators from entering China for nearly a month. · In late January 2020, PLA Major General Chen Wei was put in charge of containment efforts in Wuhan. This role included supervision of the WIV, which had previously been considered a civilian institution. General Chen is China’s top biological weapons expert. Allegationsthat the PLA was conducting covert dual civilian-military research research on bat coronaviruses at WIV have not been proven. · The Chinese authorities have gone to great lengths to destroy evidence and silence anyone in China who might be in a position to provide evidence on the origins of COVID-19. · Although nothing can be fully conclusive in light of Chinese obfuscation, the continued absence of any meaningful evidence of a zoonotic chain of transmission and mutation in the wild and the accretion of other evidence is pointing increasingly, in my view, toward an accidental lab leak as the most likely origin of COVID-19. Given the extent to which China would benefit from discovering evidence of a transmission in the wild, we can assume Chinese authorities are doing all they can to find this kind of evidence without success. This failure would explain why Chinese officials have recently begun, with little credible evidence, asserting that the outbreak started in India or Bangladesh. · In light of all of this, only a full and unrestricted international forensic investigation into the origins of the pandemic, with complete access to all samples, lab records, scientists, health officials, etc. will suffice. · Ensuring the most thorough and highest quality investigation exploring all possible hypothesis is and should be in all of our interest, including that of the Chinese government and people. · · A Broad Institute study asserts that genetic examination of four samples containing the virus from the seafood market to those taken from the Wuhan patient are ‘99.9 per cent’ identical. This suggests it came from infected visitors or vendors, indicating ‘Sars-CoV-2 had been imported into the market by humans’. The authors found no evidence ‘of cross-species transmission’ at the market. · This market is less than 9 miles away from The Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV), Chinese Academy of Sciences, which: o Developed chimeric SARS-like coronaviruses o Conducted ’dangerous’ gain-of-function research on the SARS-CoV-1 virus, some of which had been funded by the US government (Asia Times) o Established a 96.2% match with SARS-CoV-2 and a virus they sampled from a cave over 1,000 miles away from Wuhan o Injected live piglets with bat coronaviruses as recently as July 2019 o Published a paper on a close descendant of SARS-CoV-1, MERS-CoV, in November 2019 o Was hiring researchers to work on bat coronaviruses as recently as November 2019


OldManDan20

So instead of addressing either paper you give me a copy-paste Gish-Gallop of news articles and claims made by non-scientists? > This paper suggests it was a genome edited virus It literally suggests nothing of the sort…


Jormunder1

>it literally suggests nothing of the sort Better read it again. Maybe look up what’s Crispr is...


OldManDan20

I’ve read it before. It describes humanized mouse models for SCV2 infection…


Jormunder1

And how only the human modified virus produced results like sars Covid-2 Well done. You just proved your own statement wrong. Passed that info on to the ignorant yet? That misinformation is still out there


OldManDan20

They only modified the mice in this paper. I don’t think you actually understand a word of it. Go ahead and quote an excerpt you think supports what you’re saying.


Jormunder1

No - I gave you data. I understand how the volume of the data might intimidate you, but you didn’t write that paper, so you don’t matter. Pass it on to the ignorant folks who wrote the paper in cell so they can stop spreading mis information.


OldManDan20

You regurgitated misinformation talking points. It’s okay if you can’t address the papers I linked. You don’t have to be dishonest.


Jormunder1

Ad hominem is not an argument Now pass on the data like a Big Boy


OldManDan20

No as hominem here, just pointing out exactly what you’re doing. Can you address a single thing in either of those papers or are you just going to keep your head in the sand?


No_Basket_8954

Lmao #9 “he’s 80 so what?” Dude…. He’s the fucking president…


OldManDan20

I have no love for him, but he’s not mentally unfit to be president. But more to the point I was getting at, what does that have to do with anything else on the list?


Madamescorpio7

I’m sorry, but the man looks like he’s having TIA’s. He’s had strokes in the past and he is under tremendous pressure and stress. He’s 80 and he should be hanging out in the old folks home. His cognition has changed drastically since his campaign days to now.


WeeRAllOne

Brainwashed is as brainwashed does.


OldManDan20

What a well-thought out response.


plattypus2378

Fantastic response! 🙌🏻


Magnumdead21

I love his research is 100% what the media and Hollywood doctors say 😂


OldManDan20

Another well-thought out response.


AyaneUsane

Ivermectin has been proven in vitro that it works on the reproduction of the virus, stoping it. Although there is still no proof that it works on humans. But if it works in vitro it might work. Not 100% https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011


OldManDan20

Yes, plenty of compounds can inhibit viral replication in-vitro. That is very far from saying it works in an actual infection in a human body. Meanwhile, well-designed studies testing the latter have shown no benefit. https://bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12879-021-06348-5


Jormunder1

Ivermectin is now supported by 900 studies, 73 of which are peer reviewed. This includes 63 controlled trials with a total of 26,398 patients, and 31 Randomized Controlled Trials. https://www.dailyveracity.com/2021/09/09/over-900-studies-prove-the-effectiveness-and-safety-of-ivermectin-as-a-treatment-for-covid/


AhLibLibLib

Bro don’t bother trying to convince these tin foils, it’s a waste of time.


Jormunder1

1. Masks don't work to stop respiratory viruses. Dozens of RCTs prove this. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E37ga0tX0A0wcde.jpg


OldManDan20

Can you go ahead and address figure 1a in this paper? https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2


Xconsciousness

Another one is “the covid-19 shot is a vaccine” and “vaccines don’t and have never provided immunity.”


crypto-simon

The even scarier list is :- 1. Thinks fauci is the new messiah 2. Thinks Biden is a legitimate president 3. Think the U.K. conservatives are different from U.K. Labour. 4. Thinks we live in a democracy 5. Thinks killing 120 million innocent people is the making of a good man(Stalin) 6. Think we won WW2 7. Thinks oncology therapies cure cancer 8. Thinks taking vaccines isn’t the same as drug abuse 9. Thinks there’s nothing wrong with ‘smart technologies 10. Thinks the police are public servants


Mighty_L_LORT

18. The POTUS won 81 million votes...


plattypus2378

You got anything to prove he didn’t get 81 million votes? I’ll wait.


[deleted]

[удалено]


plattypus2378

Just because there’s a meme about people hating Biden doesn’t mean he didn’t receive 81 million votes. The US is burning for a lot of reasons. Has been for a long time. Biden isn’t the reason.


Suspicious-Switch-24

this isn't r/conserative


notmyrealname124

Cool, I’m not conservative so I don’t go on that sub


Suspicious-Switch-24

ohhh you just borrow talking points from them, got it


notmyrealname124

Not sure what their talking points are but sure I guess.


Suspicious-Switch-24

literally every point you made lmaoo I'm calling bs


notmyrealname124

Im simply pointing out things that people (some I know personally) incorrectly believe are absolute truths. Not sure what talkings points you’re referring to.


IronNomad86

Your thought process kind of implies that just because someone identifies with a group, that anything they say is automatically wrong, and that's a level of smooth-brained ignorance that somehow, even now, is rare.


Suspicious-Switch-24

nahh it's just that they've been talking about the same shit for 2 years, their opinions are pretty well known Also there are actual subs for their opinions, there's no reason to spam the same low effort shit over and over again in a sub that's not dedicated to their opinion


IronNomad86

So who says it's wrong?


Suspicious-Switch-24

trying to sway opinions by bombarding a sub is wrong


IronNomad86

Writing off an entire 17 point set of information because you think they belong to a certain group is ignorant. Posting a well crafted list (regardless of whether you agree with the info, it was the polar opposite of the normal, lazy posts that are made) is not bombarding anything. It seems you're trying to assign the perceived negative attributes of a group to an individual who has claimed no allegiance to that group. Maybe you should actually look into things instead of writing them off immediately if you don't want to seem ignorant.


Suspicious-Switch-24

Lol you can play dumb if you want


IronNomad86

You can resort to ad hominems and prove how weak your argument is if you want.


baal_shit

Who put you in charge


Suspicious-Switch-24

Donald trump


baal_shit

if you love r/conservative so much. fuck off there and annoy them.


Suspicious-Switch-24

I got banned for making one comment, questioning someone's opinion lmaoo


baal_shit

So you love this sub, everyone on it and all it stands for


Suspicious-Switch-24

say what? lol


baal_shit

You love it!


shoziku

> this isn't r/conserative Correct, this is r/conspiracy


Panchpancho35

All pretty spot on


AyaneUsane

Ivermectin is used on humans, for a whole lot of time actually...


shitsfuckedupalot

Wow 17 strawmen impressive


banditorama

Is this a conspiracy? Why post it here?


Flower2727

There are two options. Or those people live on different planet or I am completely insane. Such a nonsense.


NFboatcaptain75

Fauci should be on trial!!!


[deleted]

[удалено]


WeeRAllOne

I've seen hundreds of different people on Reddit **and** in real life say exactly many of these things .


ringoron9

Who let you out of Trumpjugend camp?


notmyrealname124

I think Trump is an autistic menace. But thank you for proving my point!


Eastern_Scallion_349

>8.There is an approved vaccine available in the U.S. https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine


eyesoftheworld13

>1.Cloth masks stop the transmission of COVID Better than nothing I guess but not much. >2.Vaccines have killed no one Probably have >3.COVID is very dangerous for children Rare occasions. >4.Strict lockdowns are a net positive They were first waves while society learned to accommodate social distancing after that we didn't need it >5.Fauci is trustworthy He's a figurehead. Better to trust your primary care physician. >6.A person’s decision whether to get vaccinated is based on their political leanings https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker This one sorta looks true. >7.If you’re unvaccinated you’re dangerous to be around Neg test oughta be ok >8.There is an approved vaccine available in the U.S. Loophole. It's the Pfizer one but different label so they don't have to take over the whole us market. >9.Biden has no cognitive issues He has a speech impediment my guy. >10.Vaccine mandates will slow the spread of COVID It's happening so far. >11.COVID did not leak from a laboratory in Wuhan The world may never know >12.If you have concerns about getting a vaccine, you are an anti-vaxxer Not if you keep it to yourself. If you spread misinfo you are an antivaxer >13.The government acts for benefit of the people Sometimes yes other times... >14.Pharmaceutical companies act for the benefit and health of the general population And money. It's an inelastic market. >15.Fauci had nothing to do with gain of function research ? >16.You can’t transmit COVID if you’re fully vaccinated Nobody thinks this >17.Ivermectin has never been used for humans Nobody thinks this


Charming_Ad_1216

Okay, I'm going to push back against this. I live in Massachusetts. Five minutes from Mt Holyoke college. And literally nobody I know thinks even half of these things. For context; I'm white, college educated, and I work in health/human services. Two of my sister's are nurses for fuck's sake and they say the entire thing is a fucking disaster and a joke. So my genuine advice? Stop listening to the internet. It doesn't represent reality, and it CERTAINLY doesn't represent the common person. Basically a bunch of overweight drug addicts, aka half of America, are too ashamed to go outside at this point so they need to justify working from home and as such spend hundreds of hours online manifesting a "reality" that doesn't actually reflect day to day life. Yeah, we see the trickles of it in our daily life. Renewed mask mandates? Ignore them. Vaccine mandates? ORGANIZE YOUR WORKFORCE. It's a giant bluff. Dust off your boots, shut off your computer, and fucking take YOUR world back.


Frogmarsh

There is an approved vaccine in the US.


freethinker1776

This isn’t r/nonewnormal. Get a grip.


notmyrealname124

Lol


freethinker1776

Show me a mainstream source that claimed that ivermectin was never used on humans.


notmyrealname124

When did I claim that ever happened


freethinker1776

Also, cloth masks can block droplets and prevent transmission. Nobody is claiming they’re perfect, but they were recommended because surgical and N95 masks were in limited supply. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html


freethinker1776

“Here’s a scary list of things many people still believe are absolute facts, not open for any debate whatsoever 17.Ivermectin has never been used for humans” Where’s the evidence of people believing ivermectin has never been used for humans? If they believe that, a mainstream source must have told them, right? Where did they hear that ivermectin has never been used on humans?


notmyrealname124

The MSM stated ad nauseam that it is a horse dewormer. Many people believe that it was made to be horse medicine. Two people have stated this to me. And I responded to one of them asking if it has ever been used by humans (even though I knew the answer), and take a wild guess what their answer was.


freethinker1776

It’s not really a lie to call ivermectin an horse dewormer because outside of a shady family doctor that will prescribe it to you, you can really only get the animal grade stuff. https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/durvet-ivermectin-pour-on-250-ml There’s a reason why Tractor Supply has to put a warning to remind people that their product is not approved for human consumption and that it isn’t approved for covid. It’s honestly a two pronged issue and people on both sides of the aisle are really bad at nuance. 1. Ivermectin doesn’t work on covid. It’s not FDA approved nor are there promising studies showing it’s efficacy. 2. People are going outside of normal medical channels to get their hands on this drug because they can’t/won’t go to their doctor for an ivermectin prescription.


GloomyCheek

It’s quaint that you believe these are things “sheep” believe. Also shows how out of touch you are. I found this amusing, have my upvote for that.


notmyrealname124

Thanks pal!


beetperfume

18. Jet fuel can’t melt steel beams. This one is actually real.


Kl0pp0s

18) If the government was doing something dodgy, it would be all over the news.


atheistman69

All but 9, 13, 14 and 16 are true.


Cornexclamationpoint

17 isn't true. Ivermectin has been approved for use on humans, mainly to treat against tropical diseases because it's an ANTI-PARASITIC.


notmyrealname124

Vaccines have killed no one?


atheistman69

Statistically, all vaccines can kill someone. I'm pro vaccine but anti mandate for any industry that's not healthcare related. The mandate isn't necessarily bad but it's a scary indication of how far right a lot of the world is.


Frogmarsh

Vaccine mandates will slow the spread of the disease, if for no other reason than it moves us closer to herd immunity.


notmyrealname124

😂 sounds good buddy


Frogmarsh

If you’re unvaccinated, you are dangerous to be around, if for no reason other than you hold to nonsensical notions about the world.


Madamescorpio7

Stop that. Vaccines protect you, first and foremost. Worry about yourself. Your not saving mankind by getting the vaccine. You just like to say that shit because you believe that others will be shamed into compliance; however, those of us with defiant temperaments don’t bend to shaming. We just don’t.


Frogmarsh

Of course you don’t. Your asocial behavior is duly noted.