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China's mouthpiece proposes 'final solution' for Taiwan

China's mouthpiece proposes 'final solution' for Taiwan

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Scorpius289

I'm pretty sure thet know what they're in for, otherwise they would have started a long time ago.


snooshoe

**[Major construction underway at three of China's airbases closest to Taiwan](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/42722/major-construction-underway-at-three-of-chinas-airbases-closest-to-taiwan)**


wut_eva_bish

Static airbases would be the first things destroyed in any conflict. The bases and their hardened hangars would be obliterated in the first volley of counter-attacks. Even Taiwan by itself has the capability to hit those bases hard with existing hardware as they are all less than 200 miles from the island. This is more sabre rattling from the CCP intended to try and intimidate the uninitiated. The CCP is never going to attack Taiwan with any meaningful force otherwise they'll end up in a war with foes they cannot defeat.


BeneficialComfort

taiwan is far weaker in practically all aspect than china. for instance taiwan is merely (perhaps even less) the size (both landmass and population) of a single chinese province. the only thing threatening china are not other asian powers but uk and us afaik. while russia seem to be reluctant to go to war, they will enter soon after the war starts given that both uk and us are old enemies. i highly doubt eu will take any part unless russia invade them. while russia may want to take eastern europe "back", putin appears to prefer subtle methods of manipulation so their military will be put to where it should be, against the enemies. should there be a war it will be evenly matched and will be so long and wasteful that benefit no countries involved, such i don't think the war is happening as long as the leaders have some brains.


KevUJean

The fact that China has no strategic Ally (at least for the while), provides US with the best opportunity to form an alliance of Eastern Democratic Countries in a firm framework comparable to NATO to constrain and control China in its region and further restrict its global gameplay... In this way, China would have higher risks to take in Taiwan when facing an alliance of democratic powers.


FangoFett

China’s allies include NK, Taliban, and the tatmadaw military group in Myanmar. All proven oppressors in their respective countries. Great with civilians, bad against actual military.


t1m3f0rt1m3r

Oh, so I guess we should start WWIII over some far-away island and cOMmYoOniTs!!!1!11? Seems like a good tradeoff for cheap computer chips. Military simulations and wargames have repeatedly concluded China that could probably complete a full takeover of Taiwan before the US could scramble any kind of effective response... except starting nuclear war. This is not a game for armchair military strategists to spread inane propaganda about on the internet. Some receipts for the doubtful: 1. https://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-apparently-gets-its-ass-handed-to-it-in-war-games-2019-3 2. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-10-07/here-s-what-could-happen-if-china-invaded-taiwan


TotesRandomer

Why the downvotes?


t1m3f0rt1m3r

Irrational murkan jingoism, I assume.


TotesRandomer

Yep, they're like that, well put!:)


keto3225

Cope


snooshoe

Military simulations and wargames are intentionally made extremely difficult in order to maximize their value as training aids. A simulation done immediately prior to the Iraq war which deposed Saddam Hussein predicted hundreds of thousands of US casualties; the actual total was only a few hundred.


t1m3f0rt1m3r

So, you doubt the outcome numerous experts believe is likely? Do you have some support for a different prediction, or just "they got it wrong before"? They certainly do get it wrong sometimes, but I know of no other evidence to suggest a particular outcome.


snooshoe

As I previously explained, military simulations and wargames are intentionally made extremely difficult. They are not even intended to reflect accurate expectations of real-world outcomes. Instead, they are specifically designed to reflect very unlikely worst-case situations. You are trying to grossly misuse these tools, which are literally never intended to be accurate real-world forecasts.


t1m3f0rt1m3r

That's not an unreasonable interpretation, implying these analyses should be taken with a grain of salt. I don't dispute that at all. But it's not *evidence* of anything, let alone evidence that they're wrong. What I'm asking is: do you have any *evidence* contrary to their claims (rather than armchair philosophy about the reliability or viewpoint of strategic military planning exercises)?


snooshoe

You are the one who is citing these as evidence. I'm pointing out that the 'evidence' you are citing is actually not evidence and moreover is categorically not even qualified to be considered as evidence.


t1m3f0rt1m3r

That a multitude of people with substantial expertise on a topic weigh in with an informed opinion is indeed evidence, though not of primary-source quality. What you offer is not any kind of evidence.


Hairy-Drama

China really needs to be taken down a peg or 2


mayaswelltrythis

How about removed from existence? Referring to the CCP and not the Chinese people of course.


Hairy-Drama

I'll second that motion


TotesRandomer

Thanks for the input General, so who's take them down this peg or two? America? Russia? India? Europe? Crab people?


timshel42

'final solutions' are never good coming from states...


Twilight_Republic

China will enslave the world. Their propaganda campaign is already winning over citizens of democratic societies like the US and Eu.


BeneficialComfort

i don't know about the eu but they can win over people in us suggests to me that something should be done to help the people, because embracing a "foreign" ideology typically happens when there is discontent. instead of trying to go to war, i think a nation should try to ensure their citizens are somewat content, such that they at the very least trust their government (which is not the case for us nor the more aware people in china).